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When the wheels start spinning...

In London, England a mother is seeking to have the womb of her severely disabled daughter removed to prevent the 15-year-old from feeling the pain and discomfort of menstruation.  I'm going to give you a minute to let that sink in.

Still sinking?

Sunk?

Me too.

A fellow disabled blogger posted in an online community that ze felt that the disabled blogging community was a bit speechless as to this sort of thing (see: Ashley Treatment) because it was entirely different than the usual meanderings of the community.  I agree.  As a standard, we talk about access, we talk about autonomy, some of us talk about sex and sexuality, there's race politics and education, equal access and employment, fashion and self-care, interpersonal dynamics and abuse/misuse, brilliance and stupidity, etc.  But this is a different beast altogether.

This beast is that of whether or not we even get to exist at all.  In any shape.  It seems like such a trivial thing, one for snark-sentences and spit-backs at the likes of O'Reilly and all of Fox News.  It reeks of novellic hysteria and barbaric sociological ideology.  Instead, it's a modern medical fad.  Now caregivers can design their own little mini-version of a person so as to make life easier.  On them.

The excuse used in the case of Katie X is interesting.  There's no indication, as in Ashley X's case, that there may be complications if menstruation were allowed to continue.  Instead, like with Ashley X, Katie X would simply be inconvenienced so let's butcher her!  All hands on deck, it's time to de-womanize another crip!  De-sexualize another gimp!  She won't know any better, she's a cripple and mute.

Frankly I'm not forgiving of the caregiver argument.  Don't get me wrong, I value those who care for those who can't or for whatever reason are unable to care for themselves, but I don't think that grants carte blanche to making individual medical decisions out of convenience.  What's next?  Chopping off the legs of the elderly disabled because they wander off?  Are we going to start lobbing off the arms of the blind because they sometimes run a hand into an unwelcome or dangerous situation?  Where's the line?

What new line are we drawing up for disabled women?  For disabled bodies?  When is it liberation and when is it genocide?

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yeap.....and eugenics are a practice alive and kicking in the 'western' world...
And people who want to have a hysto are looked at like they have three heads, and the first two are also crazy.

(Anonymous)

It would be one thing if this were an issue of choice but it isn't - it's about disabled bodies being slice'n'diced because an external entity doesn't want to deal with the body as a whole.
hey look, that's me not logged in! I rawk.

Talk about powerlessness and ...

... gah. Can't seem to put my finger on what I want to say right now... Just... gah.
Ooo, now this is a really tricky question. On the one hand, I'm against any excessive surgery, having been born with a cleft lip and gone through lots of surgery to fix it. (I refuse to get a "nose job" both because I'm proud of my snoz and because surgery sucks.)

On the other hand, is this girl ever going to have children? She clearly won't be able to care for them, and I firmly believe that every child should be a wanted child. If it makes this girl's quality of life better, what is the problem?
plenty of women have wombs without bearing children....
And unfortunately, this girl's caregiver has no guarantee that she will always be able to hold that role. That said, there also wouldn't be a guarantee that the girl wouldn't have a child. It is true, the current system doesn't address the true needs of the disabled. Right now life-long friends of my family are grappling with the fact that their daughter may not be able to stay in their home for much longer. Her mother has literally spent herself taking care of her up until now, and her health is failing. Their daughter had a hysterectomy some years ago for medical reasons (she would become lethargic from anemia related to hemorrhaging), so unwanted pregnancy from rape in a care facility is not a concern. The doctors have apparently using that as one of the consolations for them - at least their daughter won't end up dead prematurely because pregnancy can kill the severely disabled. I wouldn't have put much stock in that assertion a few years ago, but after the birth of my youngest son... I'm reasonably healthy, and that pregnancy drained me severely. I don't think I'd be here now if there had been anything sincerely wrong with me. Regardless, knowing that family and the effect that their daughter's hysterectomy had on them, it isn't fair to summarily dismiss the situation as caregiver's selfishness. Part of the reason why that mother is so ill now is that while caring for her daughter, she has been working to improve the situation that is inevitable for them - care outside the family home. Families of disabled children today take measures like this to protect their children from what they can't control and what really needs changing - the state of nursing care for the disabled. Their actions aren't "right", but they are the best they can do.
There is no excuse for brutalizing her body. None. That's not a right one should have as a caregiver. Women are already at high-risk of rape, should we start taking out the plumbing of women in general so tht they don't have unwanted pregnancy in case they get raped?

That's quite the twisted viewpoint. Victim-blaming abounds.
No victim blaming here. The blame remains as it always had on a system that still refuses to address the bigger problems of maintaining a high quality of life for the profoundly disabled. And it isn't a right for caregivers, or that mother wouldn't be requesting permission now. I used to volunteer at our local YMCA gymnasium and worked with the girl I mentioned, helping her do exercises. We had to move her limbs for her, and it was a fight against the muscle spasms to do it. When she started menstruating, her mother shocked the doctors by not putting her away in a home somewhere - their comment was "parents usually don't keep girls once that starts." As for the Ashley case, the medical procedures and treatments to keep her small may seem on their face barbaric. You can lose that impression real fast with one trip to an ER to visit a nursing home patient with bedsores that have rotted the flesh to the bone, are filled with pus and maggots, and stink from the rotting of the flesh to the point that you know that patient is there from 20 feet away. And there is no way you can ever believe anyone who says that isn't extremely painful. The saddest part is that you know there is no reason for sores to appear in the first place. Prevention is simple enough - regular movement of the patient by staff turning them, and regular bathing. If we can't even be assured that simple care to prevent bedsores will be carried out in nursing care facilities, how can we think that other health and safety issues will be addressed? The doctor who spoke against what was done to Ashley wasn't against the procedures per se, but against the fact that the system made considering those procedures as prevention against future harm to the girl a serious option. It is wrong that parents have to think about protecting their daughter from unwanted pregnancies as a result of rape in a nursing home, or keep her growth in check to prevent future bed sores. And this isn't about individuals who are even a little bit functional. This is about individuals who are quite literally at the mercy of whomever is charged with caring for them. Surgery in that context isn't brutalization, or do you think it would be fun to have Ashley die of appendicitis one day because she can't tell anyone about the pain, or have her raped in a home and die from an unwanted pregnancy or complications from an abortion? I have children, and I can't even begin to wrap my mind around the pain the parents of profoundly disabled children face every day - those parents are victims just as much as their children are. To think that decisions those parents deal with when it comes to the care of their children are limited to what they will face in the short-term is ridiculous. Every decision they make is in light of the long-term - what their children will face once their parents aren't there anymore to protect them. That is something every parent does, and on that level I can understand their thinking. And in all honesty, if something went horribly wrong with my own daughter, she needed constant care, and it was abundantly clear that her condition made her weak enough that pregnancy could kill her, I would be asking for the same thing these parents have if I knew she would end up being in a home while still of child-bearing age. The only way I wouldn't would be if the system was fixed so that she wouldn't be in danger of being raped while in a care home. If wanting to protect your children from harm, pain, and death are twisted viewpoints, then I'm twisted.

Even if you don't believe it, I am probably just as upset about this situation as you are. I've worked as a volunteer for the disabled for years, and members of my family work as advocates for the blind. As for myself, this information will be filed in my mind with the rest of the ammunition I use when I deal with public officials on issues dealing with disabled persons. It's fine to be upset about this, but it's better to put that emotion into action - letters to legislators demanding reform in regulations governing nursing care facilities so parents don't need to even think about these sorts of things.
a) if it weren't a right, the Ashley X syndrome wouldn't exist. Having to petition the court simply solidifies that right
b) your insinuation that work isn't being done is condescending
c) I find the idea that anything other than disgust at the system and the practice to be victim blaming
The discomfort of menstruation? Never mind the discomfort of an unnecessary surgery to remove her fucking womb.
Seriously. I wonder how this mother's own periods are/were. Menstruation doesn't automatically mean cramps or PMS. I can go months without having cramps or PMS, and some women never have either one at all.

Of course, some women have cramps and/or PMS that are disabling, but you just can't assume that's going to happen to everyone.
Anger.

can say nothing more
please keep posting things like this regarding disability. it's become sort of my beat at work, and i can get things like this more publicity. we kept on top of the ashley story, so this will bring it back into the spotlight.
the caregiver arguement can only go so far and it's intersting what the differences are nationally. canada coudln't get away with such an arguement bc we have better supports in place. i thought england did too...

this story makes me ache.. it's kind of like why we don't talk about suicides... we need to talk about stuff like this but then we have copy cat shit like this!

yeah - I can't believe the caregiver argument is working so well in this case. I just don't understand it - except that if you don't speak the able-bodied language and let's face it, if you're disabled you simply don't - then you aren't human and thus you can be treated like an object, a "pillow-angel," a piece of meat. And we know how the US and world at large likes to treat their meat.

Bastards.

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